Transcript of the Book of Ballymote - Descendants of Ernán

[Webmaster]

Mike,

See my updated pedigree in my first reply in this topic. Originally I only had 6 sons for Lorccán, but reexamination of the text makes it seem likely that Macc Liacc [son of (a) stone] was the seventh son.

902.

Seacht mc. la Lorcan mc. Conaing mc. Cormaic Fergusa cnoc .i. Niall Cuchluana Maeleidigh (no Maelmithigh) Conaing Ceannfaelad Geimhredhan. Dibaidh tra Sil Lorcan gein mota ri Geimhredhan gona sil & is ed fodera doib sein Mc. Liag do beannaigh Lorcan is do sin asbert Mc. Liag: Lorcan lasadh isan ath co fobhair cath i cath cruaidh doni Lorcan gongail ngaith dlochtan do cinn laeic goluat

https://genelach.network/transcript-boo ... uachGalaig

I do want to emphasize again that the length of that pedigree for Ernán's descendants makes it VERY unusual for a non-chieftain line.

Also, I think that same pedigree for the Mac Diarmata is given somewhere else besides Durning, but I cannot recall where. Regardless, I think the best evidence so far indicates it is a bad pedigree and the one you reference is correct. Further, O’Hart is the only place I can find that has Sioda as a son of A Diarmait, but not THE Diarmait. His MacDermot pedigree seems to be notably erroneous.
https://www.libraryireland.com/Pedigree ... eremon.php
https://www.libraryireland.com/Pedigree ... eremon.php

[pdonelan]

Can someone provide a translation of the second sentence of number 902 above. The sentence includes both names (Dibaidh and Liag), but my Leaving Certificate Irish from 54 years ago is totally inadequate to make sense of it.

[Webmaster]

Paul,

I cannot translate the entire sentence, but:
dibaidh = díbaid = "having no male issue" or "becomes extinct, dies out, perishes".
Or if it derives from díbad, it could also mean "Property of a deceased person; inheritance, legacy".
https://dil.ie/search?q=dibaid&search_in=headword
https://dil.ie/search?search_in=headword&q=díbad

BTW, eDIL is your best friend for attempted translations. The difficulty arises from the fact that eDIL typically uses Old Irish nominative case word forms while many of the source texts use Middle Irish; which leads to some significant spelling differences, apart from the word case issue. Two of the most common differences are that Old Irish uses "E", but Middle Irish uses "EA"; and Old Irish does not use the excessive lenition of consonants (adding the "H" after the consonant) that Middle Irish seems to use. For example, "beannaigh" is the Middle Irish genitive case of "bennacht"; which has the Old Irish genitive case of "bennachta" or "bennaicht". Also, in many cases it is unclear whether the Old Irish used "NN" or "ND", which is why "bendacht" is sometimes found in the source texts. I have tried to recruit several Old Irish scholars to assist with translations, but have never been successful. Having fun yet???
https://dil.ie/search?q=bennacht&search_in=headword

So Díbaid would not appear to be a name, whereas Macc Liacc COULD be a name, similar to Macc Con (son of a dog).

120.	Cu themin mc. Cumain mc. Cruind mc. Cuanach mc. Misadain mc. Illadhain mc. Carthaind mc. Dedhalchu mc. Indrosa mc. Nair m. Fiachach ain mc. Conaill mc. Mc. Con mc. Aengusa mc. Cormaic mc. Airt mc. Cuinn.

https://genelach.network/transcript-boo ... DalMeicCon

[ChrisMcLain132906]

Fantastic info and analysis. By the way I've been meaning to ask you guys, what programs do you use to create tree graphics?

[Webmaster]

Chris,

I have tried to use PhotoFiltre but it is not the easiest. You can use MS Excel and set the box borders appropriately. You could also try using a genealogy program like Gramps that has tree image outputs. These days I just use the box symbols found in most monospace fonts in a text editor like Notepad++. The only downside is you have to use leading spaces to align everything; which can lead to a lot of space characters in the file. For example:

[BuckeyeMike]

Chris,
This may be a bit too simplistic, but I use spreadsheets like these (Libre Office) to create genealogical charts, then I'm able to play around with SNP placements:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... ue&sd=true