I thought I had posted this previously, but I cannot find it. If someone finds it is a duplicate of a previous post, please let me know.
Is it possible the real Síl Muiredaig fall under the R1b-BY20602 subclade of the R1b-FGC5939 likely Uí Briúin Aí, Maicne Eócháda Tírmchárnai clade? The R1b-FTT174 clade has somewhat upset the table below, but as it is a T2T variant, and we are only beginning to see and use T2T variants, I suspect the discovery of more T2T variants will balance out the clades to resemble the following table. Please see how this fits with the Mac Diarmata results at viewtopic.php?p=1659#p1659
The original of the chart was in an email but I don't believe it is in the forum.
I have a hunch this is possible because of the consistent separation of the two in the Annals:
R1b-BY20602, Uí Briúin Aí, Ui Conchobhair (split or graft?)
R1b-FGC5939, Síl Muiredaig, Maicne Eócháda Tírmchárnai clade.
As we stand, the chart is correct for the Mac Diarmata result.
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I think you meant R1b-Y166841 for the Uí Briúin, Maicne Cathail, which is where the Uí Conchobair Dond, Mac Magnusa, etc. families are located. This is parallel to the R1b-A260 Uí Briúin, Maicne Fergusa clade which the R1b-FGC5939 clade is under.
I am comfortable that there are enough Síl Muiredaig surnames under R1b-BY20602 in the correct relationships according to the genealogies to support this hypothesis.
I stand corrected:
R1b-Y166841, Uí Briúin Aí, Ui Conchobhair (split or graft?)
R1b-BY20602, Síl Muiredaig
R1b-FGC5939, Maicne Eócháda Tírmchárnai clade.
I'm intrigued by Bart's label for Conchobar mac Tadg Mor (882) as Ua Conchobair about the time of R1b-BY20602. His supposed son Conchobar mac Tadg (973) is our surmised genetic break, could that have originally happened with R1b-Y166841 Uí Briúin, Maicne Cathail? later grafted beside Mael Ruanaid?
The only thing we can say right now is that the SCE in the Ó Conchobair lineage likely occurred after Tadc inda Dúir Ó Conchobair, d. 956 AD, but before or with Tairdelbach Már Ó Conchobair, d. 1156 AD. I have my suspicion as to when it occurred, but it is merely a suspicion. Looking in that time frame the SCE MAY have occurred with Derbforgaill ingen Taidc mac Gilla Pátraic, wife of Tadc inda Eich Gil [https://www.dib.ie/biography/ua-conchob ... -gil-a8442], and mother of Áed inda Gaí Bernaig, making him the SCE [https://www.dib.ie/biography/ua-conchob ... pear-a8720]. She was married several times and had several children by different husbands. Again, this is pure speculation, and blaming it on the woman, just like Adam did with Eve.
